Due to what I feel is excessive body roll at high speed corners and the too large gap by the rear wheel arches, I have been contemplating installing Eibach springs, which will lower the entire car by about 30mm.

However, what about QV springs (off a post-93 QV)?

How much will these lower the car, and wouldn't this maintain the ride quality better than the Eibachs? I suspect the price will be about the same, so it is more a question of what is the best choice given the two things I want to eliminate (roll + gap) and what I want to maintain (ride quality).

Anders, '93 Super 24V

Putting any upgraded (harder) springs will always hurt the ride quality. To reduce the body roll why not upgrade the anti roll bars?

Steven

Availability is a big issue. I don't think it is even possible to get upgraded anti-roll bars in the US anymore. I called AR Ricambi several times and each time the answer was "we'll have it in about 4-6 weeks". Frankly I don't think Ricambi thinks it is feasible to order another shipment of 164 bars.

I am aware that there is a compromise between control and ride quality. However, I was very happy with the ride quality in my father's QV-24V, which felt identical to my Super, but with slightly better body control (which may be attributed to larger anti roll bars?).

But how much will the QV springs lower the car compared to the normal Super ones? Has anyone done this?

Anders, '93 Super 24V

I am sure Eibach make uprated anti roll bars, as do Alfa Romeo.

The other thing to consider is finding the right shoxs for the springs. The QV has different rated shoxs to other 164's. Mismatched shoxs and springs will give a very horrible ride (I found this out the hard way).

Maybe the best way would be to find a scrap yard and measure the height of the springs, this is a crude way but will give you some information. How about cutting your current springs? It is cheap and relativly easy.

Steven

You can cut the springs by a 1/2 or full link and it will lower the car approx. 3/4- 1/2 inch. The eibachs are a fine ride just a bit harder not that big of a deal. The only thing is you can't get them here in the states anymore unless you want to order them from germany. Cutting the stocks would make the ride a bit stiffer not too much though if you only cut a 1/2. But the supers do ride high anyways which tells me that they area link longer than the normal 164's. I just sold my set of 164 springs to a guy with an LS so that he could drop his car a bit too. The thing is that the older 164's weight a lot more than the newer 24V's, about 800+ pounds more. I hope they work for the guy, they probably will. The thing with cutting the springs is that depending on how much spring there is, you could loose travel in the suspension. With the eibachs being progressive you won't loose this. Meaning you won't bottom out and the ride will be smoother, less jolty. You could try the cutting becuase they do ride so damn high, but just cut a 1/2 for now and see how it is. I suggested this to Taso with his S and he said he loves the ride and the looks. Up to you, I almost did it my self to mine but bought eibachs instead and sold the stocks.
I don't think you will have a problem cutting them.
Good luck
jason

What do you mean by the older 164's weighing a lot more (800+) than the newer 24V models? I have a bunch of sales lit. on the cars, and the specifications all say that it's the newer ones which are heavier, but not by much (100-200 lbs)

Leo
'91 168S

Well pardon me!!! I got some wrong info so nevermind my comment. I love how people on this site like to shoot down other people because of a mistake. No big deal. I looked at my cars wieght and it says 4,270 Lbs but thats just the placered on that car! specs say about 200 pounds difference, yes! so who cares huh??
jason

Ummm... Jason, calm down. What's wrong with what I said? Why did you take it badly? What words did I use which made you mad? In my opinion, what I said was perfectly nice. The reason I corrected you was just in case you didn't know the 24V was heavier than the earlier ones, out of kindness. What if it wasn't a typo - what if you really thought the 24V was heavier? Would you have preferred that I didn't let you know? I think you're the one who's shooting _me_ down. I'm saying this with a perfectly straight face here. I do hope you realize who's in the wrong here, for I sincerely think you blasted me for no reason. In the almost two years that I've posted in this forum, have I ever blasted anyone?

Leo
'91 168S

It seems that AL was also nice enough to post a correction for you. Is AL also a person who likes to shoot other people down? Of course not, but by your definition it would seem to be yes. So chill out Jason (and I mean that in a good way) and don't jump out and accuse honest people like AL and me. We've had enough REAL jerks on this forum already.

Leo
'91 168S

I have read much of intrest on the forum recently, but i had come to the conclusion that Jason, Serge and a few others were the jerks?

I was not even surprised to see that response by Jason and ignored it like so many others.

my 2 cents.

Sorry I am just paranoid becuase there are some who think they are gods and tend to treat people like ass***** ya know? Sorry I bit you there Leo. Won't happen again!
jason

Hey, no problem. You're cool!

Leo
'91 168S

I beleive you may find that the 24 valve cars are approx 200kg or 440lbs heavier than the 12 valves.
Because of this weight difference,It has been said that a good 12v QV can hog the tail of a 24v super all the way to 12v top end. Anyone tested this theory out?
Off course the 24v QV would say bye bye sooner (=):

De Nada

ALinthemountainsinEcosse

Thanks all,

AL: Yes, the 24V cars are about 200 kilos heavier than earlier pre-93 cars. This weight difference certainly allows a QV-12V to keep up with a 24V Super, until it runs out of puff at 230 km/h, whereas the 24V will continue to 240+ km/h (I know for sure!)

Jason, and others: I will go with either Eibach or QV springs. Thanks for the suggestions, but I will not take off 1/2 a round of the springs out of fear of bottoming out. I don't want to play with the anti roll bars either, I believe this can change the car's behaviour quite dramatically.

Anders, '93 Super 24V

Does anyone have any experience with uprated anti roll bars on the 164. In the tech notes section, several guys swear by them.

just talked to ricambi about the bars (again) and they do have the fronts but the rears are still not made yet. they blame it on their recent move and told me to call in 2 weeks. will keep you guys posted.
i do not have experience with stiffer bars on the 164 but on buddy's jetta they made a huge difference.

I'll take that with a grain of salt. I called them sometime last summer and they said the same thing - call back in a few weeks!

well, that sucks!
does anyone have used bars i can buy?